Openreach ONT Ethernet Port

[David Wade]

Folks,

Is the network port on the ONT a full spec 1000baseT (I hope I have that
right)? I ask because for historic reasons my current master socket,
VDSL router and network switch is on the first floor. Openreach will
only fit the ONT on the ground floor, so I was wondering if I could just
run a cat5e or cat6 cable from the ONT to the router?

Dave
G4UGM

[Bob Eager]

Post by David Wade
Is the network port on the ONT a full spec 1000baseT (I hope I have that
right)?

My router is indicating that mine is.

Post by David Wade
Openreach will
only fit the ONT on the ground floor, so I was wondering if I could just
run a cat5e or cat6 cable from the ONT to the router?

Hmm. Mine is fitted on the first floor.

[David Wade]

Post by Bob Eager

Post by David Wade
Is the network port on the ONT a full spec 1000baseT (I hope I have that
right)?

My router is indicating that mine is.

I expect it is....

Post by Bob Eager

Post by David Wade
Openreach will
only fit the ONT on the ground floor, so I was wondering if I could just
run a cat5e or cat6 cable from the ONT to the router?

Hmm. Mine is fitted on the first floor.

.. well that is what all the FAQs say but as my house is currently fed
by a drop cable from a pole so he will need to climb a ladder, and there
is a solid canopy across the front, so getting the fibre from the there
to the ground floor won't be straight forward, it would make sense to
run it next to the existing phone wire into the first floor, so we will
see what happens.

Dave

[Davey]

On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 14:59:36 +0100

it would make sense .....

Well, that guarantees it won't happen, then.

[David Wade]

Post by Davey
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 14:59:36 +0100

it would make sense .....

Well, that guarantees it won't happen, then.

... sadly, so true in the modern world....

Post by Davey
-- Davey.

Dave

[David Wade]

Post by David Wade

Post by Davey
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 14:59:36 +0100

  it would make sense .....

Well, that guarantees it won't happen, then.

... sadly, so true in the modern world....

Post by Davey
-- Davey.

Dave

Just to confirm. It was fitted today by a Kelly engineer who expected to
remove the existing POTS line and VDSL which was not what I ordered.
Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box between
drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level. He could have run the
fibre back up buy he refused.

Currently using double NAT with Draytek router plugged into Zen
Fritzbox! and set to be destination for all in-bound calls.

I now need to decide what to do with phone, options at the moment are
Zen or Vopifone. Looks like Voipfone has more options, and would let me
receive landline calls on an app while travelling, something Zen does
not offer...

Dave

[Andy Burns]

Post by David Wade
Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box between
drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level.

That is the official line (means future engineer visits unlikely to need
working at heights).

Post by David Wade
now need to decide what to do with phone, options at the moment are Zen or Vopifone.

voipfone works well for me.

[Rupert Moss-Eccardt]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by David Wade
Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box between
drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level.

That is the official line (means future engineer visits unlikely to need
working at heights).

Yes, the CSP has to be down below, unless there is a good reason
otherwise. But, of course, the fibre from it to the ONT can be almost
anywhere within reason but, in reality, the engineer won't want to do
another piece of ladder work nor do too much clipping.

[Mark Carver]

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Andy Burns

Post by David Wade
Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box between
drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level.

That is the official line (means future engineer visits unlikely to need
working at heights).

Yes, the CSP has to be down below, unless there is a good reason
otherwise.

I've seen reports in various forums, that some have persuaded Openreach
(or their contractors) to place the CSP inside the loft space, where the
loft space is 'lit and boarded', but it very much depends on the mood on
the day !

[Bob Eager]

Post by Mark Carver

Post by Rupert Moss-Eccardt

Post by Andy Burns

Post by David Wade
Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box
between drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level.

That is the official line (means future engineer visits unlikely to
need working at heights).

Yes, the CSP has to be down below, unless there is a good reason
otherwise.

I've seen reports in various forums, that some have persuaded Openreach
(or their contractors) to place the CSP inside the loft space, where the
loft space is 'lit and boarded', but it very much depends on the mood on
the day !

I didn't even get a CSP. The incoming overhead fibre goes through the wall
at first floor level, and into a tiny splice box. Then about 70cm of
indoor fibre to the ONT.

No idea how I got away with that. He was initially going to run it down to
the CSP near the ground, then up again (he'd done that for a first floor
flat across the road a few days previously).

[[e-mail]]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by David Wade
Would not supply fibre to first floor, insisted the junction box between
drop fibre and internal fibre was at ground level.

That is the official line (means future engineer visits unlikely to need
working at heights).

They can sometimes be persuaded, cash obviously...

Post by Andy Burns

Post by David Wade
now need to decide what to do with phone, options at the moment are Zen or Vopifone.

voipfone works well for me.

[Graham J]

David Wade wrote:

[snip]

Post by David Wade
I now need to decide what to do with phone, options at the moment are
Zen or Vopifone. Looks like Voipfone has more options, and would let me
receive landline calls on an app while travelling, something Zen does
not offer...

I use Voipfone - they are very good.

Their management website allows call diversion to any other number
including mobiles. You don't need any app on the mobile.

However an app exists which gives access to the management website and
provides a simple mechanism to enable diversion to a nominated number
including the mobile itself.

In principle it can be automated, either by the mobile going out of
range of your LAN's WiFi, or using GPS to establish when the mobile
moves away from your home location. But at present the app does not
successfully provide this automation on an Android phone - they know
there is a problem with it and are rewriting the app. Hopefully it will
be ready soon.

[[e-mail]]

Post by Graham J
[snip]

Post by David Wade
I now need to decide what to do with phone, options at the moment are
Zen or Vopifone. Looks like Voipfone has more options, and would let me
receive landline calls on an app while travelling, something Zen does
not offer...

I use Voipfone - they are very good.
Their management website allows call diversion to any other number
including mobiles. You don't need any app on the mobile.

Chargeable at normal rates, except to other Voipfone numbers.
Voicemail is forwarded free to email.
Many phones support VoIP native, although very annoyingly Android 12 & 13 removed SIP support, however Voipfone's own app is very good and there is Zoiper for multiple accounts (~£5 for an unslugged version).

Post by Graham J
However an app exists which gives access to the management website and
provides a simple mechanism to enable diversion to a nominated number
including the mobile itself.

Or just log in on the web,

Post by Graham J
In principle it can be automated, either by the mobile going out of
range of your LAN's WiFi, or using GPS to establish when the mobile
moves away from your home location. But at present the app does not
successfully provide this automation on an Android phone - they know
there is a problem with it and are rewriting the app. Hopefully it will
be ready soon.

I thought the point of putting VoIP in the mobile is that the land-line number can be answered anywhere there is internet. I only want it to go to voicemail if the phone goes out of coverage, I am on another call or I choose that.

Connection is maintained over Wi-Fi or 3/4/5G and will switch, but not hand off between them. Automation is good on Voipfone's own app' (released 2016), but Zoiper relies on "push". Native on Samsung Galaxy S8 or S9 VoIP is fine.

Post by Graham J
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Graham J